Stay out of McCain's race in Arizona

[Alfred W Hovis Jr.]

Mr. Brown should stay out of McCain's reelection fight in Arizona.  McCain, though extremely honorable with a long service to America, is as much part of the problem in this country as the progressives on the other side of the isle.  We don't need any progressive Republicans in office any more than we need progressive Democrats.

 

Senator elect Brown would do well to avoid such ties.

[David Gaby]

You are making perfect sense.

Dan said:

McCain is the one who helped Scott Brown get Elected.......McCain was instrumental in getting campaign Donations for Scott Brown.......

In addition......McCain values and track record on Pork Spending is Top Notch!.......Obama recently signed the Porkulus Bill that had almost 9000 Earmarks/Pork in it.........if McCain were Elected over Obama that would have never happened.....McCain is not perfect but he is an American Hero and has served his country on many fronts...his service in the senate is commendable and I applaud Scott Brown for supporting him.........its the right thing to do........

[Frans Farrugia]

Totally agree. McCain and other RINOs need to move on and make room for new blood in the new conservative movement. He's a repeat of Dole. Seniority and military service does not entitle you to run for POTUS. It's your ideas and convictions that convince people to vote for you.

[Frans Farrugia]

If McCain had been elected POTUS, this new movement would not have taken place and would only have ensured more democrat victories and disastrous policies. The arrogance of obama and the democrats is what has awakened the sleeping giant. let's hope it continues.



Dan said:

McCain is the one who helped Scott Brown get Elected.......McCain was instrumental in getting campaign Donations for Scott Brown.......

In addition......McCain values and track record on Pork Spending is Top Notch!.......Obama recently signed the Porkulus Bill that had almost 9000 Earmarks/Pork in it.........if McCain were Elected over Obama that would have never happened.....McCain is not perfect but he is an American Hero and has served his country on many fronts...his service in the senate is commendable and I applaud Scott Brown for supporting him.........its the right thing to do........

[Barry]

Being an ex Arizonan I must disagree that McCain is a RINO. Media attention on his voting record focuses on the issues with which you (and I) have disagreed. Yet he has always been pretty strong against pork, strong for national defense, and cuatious usually in foreign policy with regard to use of military force for political expediency, to the point of sometimes being the proverbial voice in the wilderness. For this he deserves deep respect. While he is not a RINO in my view, he has sometimes also not been a strict constitutionalist. I must also humbly suggest that seniority and military actually do "entitle" you to run for POTUS, but that it doesn't entitle you to win, for the very reason so accurately noted in your final sentence.

Frans Farrugia said:

Totally agree. McCain and other RINOs need to move on and make room for new blood in the new conservative movement. He's a repeat of Dole. Seniority and military service does not entitle you to run for POTUS. It's your ideas and convictions that convince people to vote for you.

[Barry]

I believe it still would have taken place but not with such fervor an not likely so soon. This is the law of unintended consequence on steriods and a beautiful thing to behold. While I welcome it whole heartedly may I offer a sobering thought. After generations of liberal entrenchment in our public establishments, ie schools, social services, even state department, that it will take an entire generation to deconstruct this leviathan. Remember, Reagan while a hugely succesful President. He was proven to be visionary, and had the support of a larger majority over (most) of his presidency, yet even he could not slay the dragon. This will require unprecidented long term involvement by conservatives at every level of government. Such a commitment has not been seen since our founding.

Frans Farrugia said:

If McCain had been elected POTUS, this new movement would not have taken place and would only have ensured more democrat victories and disastrous policies. The arrogance of obama and the democrats is what has awakened the sleeping giant. let's hope it continues.



Dan said:

McCain is the one who helped Scott Brown get Elected.......McCain was instrumental in getting campaign Donations for Scott Brown.......

In addition......McCain values and track record on Pork Spending is Top Notch!.......Obama recently signed the Porkulus Bill that had almost 9000 Earmarks/Pork in it.........if McCain were Elected over Obama that would have never happened.....McCain is not perfect but he is an American Hero and has served his country on many fronts...his service in the senate is commendable and I applaud Scott Brown for supporting him.........its the right thing to do........

[Barry]

Excellent read. My take is simple (though not easy). One must return always to our founding principles. Despite personal admiration a true patriot must first be loyal to ethos. As such Brown or others can publicly praise McCain for that which praise is due, yet rebuke if it is also due. In the case of amnesty the constitution is squarely against Senator McCain and as such he should be rebuked.

Bradman family said:

Great discussion by everyone on this topic. I wish our political representatives would "discuss" and "consider" opinions in the respectful manner that each contributor has reflected in this forum. I humbly request that you consider my "two cents" of opinion.

To the point that Brown should be weary of "active engagement support" for Senator McCain. I am concerned that the value of Scott's independence will be compromised by his loyalty, and his "effective influence" may suffer as a direct result of that support. In my opinion this is a difficult and defining moment for both Scott Brown and Sarah Palin, with regard to supporting the honorable senator McCain. I truely feel that Senator McCain is an incredibly loyal patriot, a man of great character, a true statesman. However, I also feel that Senator McCain has compromised on his original principles through the years in an effort to be a more effective and influencial "centrist". John McCain is a great patriot and his military service to our nation provides a measure of respect, and reverance from all of us. It is apparent to me that Senator McCain actually thinks before he responds and he is respectful, in the military professional sense, to leadership. However, Senator McCain is now in favor of several issues that do not align themselves with the "culture" of the original conservative movement that he once championed. Amnesty for illegal aliens is one such point. The reduction of government et. al. appears to be another.

Both Scott and Sarah have loyalty to Mr. McCain on a personal level. It would be stated by both of them that John McCain was "the reason" they both were able to join the "national stage" of political influence. Both for different reasons. Scott was encouraged to fight the good fight and given emotional fuel to tackle the Massachusetts election by Senator McCain. Senator McCain has tremendous respect for his young friend, in part because of Scott's principles, and in part because Scott was the only republican that actively campaigned for Senator McCain in Massachusetts during his 2008 political campaign. McCain told Scott "there was no need to extend such public effort" in his support of him. John actually told Scott not to put himself in such a position, because McCain thought it was a non-winnable battle (2008 Presidental - Mass). But Scott put "himself" and his political reputation "out there" and campaigned for McCain because Scott felt it was both a duty, and he genuinely liked McCain recognizing his honorable character. Sarah Palin would never have reached the point of current public influence, and personal income success, without Senator McCain selecting her as a candidate for VPOTUS. She has strong loyalty to McCain as such, not to his "handlers", but to McCain the man. Rightfully so. She does owe Senator McCain a great deal of personal loyalty.

Now the conflicting dilemma. How do you balance personal loyalty toward McCain and yet separate yourself from attachment to his views that may not be reflected in your own personal beliefs.? Or knowing the risk, how do you show such support, without being attached to the negative reaction from those who no longer share in McCains unpopular positions?

I wish I knew the answer. My only hope is that both Scott and Sarah will openly share this internal conflict with those costituents who support both of them, but do not agree with McCain. Mr. Hovis is exactly one of these constituents.

[camara karamoko ibrahim]

i think too

[DUANE DEMPSEY]

Senator McCain was there for us. So Ill be there helping his reelection campaign. Even with SENATOR BROWNS election, We have an overwhelmingly democratic house and senate. The only way to get any of the peoples business done is to work with the other side. How can we complain about the democrats not discussing health care with the republicans if we propose the same thing?

[camara karamoko ibrahim]

Senator McCain was there for us. So Ill be there helping his reelection campaign. Even with SENATOR BROWNS election, We have an overwhelmingly democratic house and senate. The only way to get any of the peoples business done is to work with the other side. How can we complain about the democrats not discussing health care with the republicans if we propose the same thing?

[Frans Farrugia]

This is bigger than any one man. It's about the conservative movement and we should not compromise our principles just for the sake of getting along. The Democrats are not our friends and only want bi-partisanship as long as we go along with them. The current bunch are total nuts and can't be reasoned with. We must reverse 50 yrs of social engineering and entitlements and teach people how to be truly free again.



camara karamoko ibrahim said:

Senator McCain was there for us. So Ill be there helping his reelection campaign. Even with SENATOR BROWNS election, We have an overwhelmingly democratic house and senate. The only way to get any of the peoples business done is to work with the other side. How can we complain about the democrats not discussing health care with the republicans if we propose the same thing?

[David Gaby]

Lack of thought in the name of ideology is just another version of mob psychology. Every one of those Democrats suffers from the profiteering and manipulation that goes along with the social engineering and has conservative impulses that need to be nurtured. Each one needs to have positive reinforcement of their correct thinking and action. In addition we need to build support to eliminate the psuedo-conservative profiteers from the Republican party, and Sen. McCain's support for ending earmarks is important. That is how we can build and maintain an effective majority. We don't write off people. We need to write off ideas (like relying on Federal earmarks) not people.

Frans Farrugia said:

This is bigger than any one man. It's about the conservative movement and we should not compromise our principles just for the sake of getting along. The Democrats are not our friends and only want bi-partisanship as long as we go along with them. The current bunch are total nuts and can't be reasoned with. We must reverse 50 yrs of social engineering and entitlements and teach people how to be truly free again.



camara karamoko ibrahim said:

Senator McCain was there for us. So Ill be there helping his reelection campaign. Even with SENATOR BROWNS election, We have an overwhelmingly democratic house and senate. The only way to get any of the peoples business done is to work with the other side. How can we complain about the democrats not discussing health care with the republicans if we propose the same thing?

[Barry]

Let's take this comment "Every one of those Democrats suffers from the profiteering and manipulation that goes along with the social engineering and has conservative impulses that need to be nurtured. Each one needs to have positive reinforcement of their correct thinking and action." and rephrase is slightly as to add "thought" as follows:

"Every one of those terrorists suffers from the hate and manipulation that goes along with the religious ideology and has peaceful impulses that need to be nurtured. Each one needs to have positive reinforcement of their correct thinking and action."

That was not to twist your words or intent in any way but simply to denote the futility in reasoning with those bent on turning this into a european style socialist democracy. One does not look to the good characteristics of a pedifile priest, no, they must be removed first, then if possible rehabilitated, and even then never again allowed access that that which they so coveted.

This stands true for Republicans as well. If they do not seek to educated themselves as to their constitutional limits then they too should be replaced by educated voters. That of course is the rub. The electorate has been educated in the liberal ideology by the NEA for a generation (at least). Thus this movement of which I support will likely lose steam.