gay marriage position

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

Can someone please give me Scott's position on gay marriage? A gay friend of mine just sent me an e-mail pleading with me and the other recipients NOT to vote for Scott Brown due to his "anti gay-marriage" position. I am planning on voting for Scott either way, but would like to find something to rebut this e-mail.

Anyone????

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

Hi Elaine,

I already checked out Scott's listing on the marriage section of his page.
Below is one of several e-mail responses from a gay, musician friend from years ago.
I'd be curious to hear a response from someone even though I will likely stay pro-Brown.
Thanks for your time.


, and respectfully disagree with Mark. Brown is pro-torture, anti-gay rights, and has openly questioned Coakley's patriotism on national TV -- not behavior that I consider at all "overwhelmingly decent." He has no ideas other than those that have already failed us in the past. He would be a disaster in the US Senate.

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

It is good to get so many perspectives on this. Thanks to Mark for his point of view, but I also must disagree there. All candidates have some good talking points and can be rather convincing in the moment. For me during the last debate I found Brown to be rude and condescending to such a high degree that was totally unnecessary. Then to finish it all by telling us he drives a truck - well is that relevant on any level ? Do truck drivers have better ethics than sedan drivers? Way too self-congratulatory for me. And we know how that attribute tends to translate regarding rights and fairness for the general population.

above is another e-mail which I received. Thoughts anyone??

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

I've actually met both Scott Brown and Martha Coakley. They're both nice, as you would expect. Brown was indeed very cordial, even knowing that I didn't agree with him on politics.

He may well be personally decent: A JAG, National Guardsman and good father. But his views are neither decent nor prudent. To wit:

a.) He has defended torture, using the Orwellian code words "enhanced interrogation techniques." This is not decent.
b.) He has a tortured explanation for why he would not support covering 30 million new people with health care. I submit that this displays a lack of compassion.
c.) His view on gay marriage is frankly cowardly. That's not decent. Supporting Tom's and others' right to marry is decent.

d.) He denies global warming is real. That is very definitely not prudent.

Down the line, on almost every issue, he's a continuation of the last 8 years of rule under President Bush. I respectfully submit that that is definitely not prudent.

Thanks for reading this far, if you have ...

Well.... anybody care to comment? I am getting hammered by my gay friends.

[Julie Ford]

I understand the concern over social issues such as gay marriage, but that's at the bottom of my list when deciding on our Senator. I want someone who is going to vote AGAINST THE SOCIALIST leftist agenda being pushed by Obama and Czars! I am ANGRY that my Daughter, and my future Grandchildren's futures are being MORTGAGED for stimulus bills that do NOT WORK. Fake Congressional Districts....wasted BILLIONS....for WHAT? I consider myself socially liberal (I don't want the government in ANY ASPECT of my PRIVATE life, sexuality, health decisions, etc...) but I am FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE! The current administration has spent MORE MONEY in ONE year, MORE than the last 50 years of Presidents combined. And to top that off-THEY LIE and blame the deficit on the previous administration. Do the math.... I think THAT is an insult to my intellegence. SCOTT BROWN IS CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

Elaine,

I am currently an ardent supporter of Scott Brown and am simply looking for some backup to counter the rhetoric that I am getting from DOZENS of gay friends. I am not talking to myself, but rather, posting some e-mail passages that I received over the last few hours. I am not into politics by nature and so find all of this stuff to be a bit imposing and so I was looking for some help from Brown supporters like you.

Want to take another less insensitive response to my issue here??

Elaine said:

You do, of course, realize that you are TALKING TO YOURSELF? I think you may have found the WRONG forum for your discussion? Try marthacoakleyisasocialist.com? :) Have a great night! :)

[Mark C. Nemeskal]

my Dear Elaine,

The "attack posts" that you have so inaccuartely mislabled are actual e-mail comments from an e-mail that a gay colleague sent out earlier today urging everyone to vote for Martha Coakley. While I am certainly sensitive to the whole gay marrigae issue as much as a married, heterosexual male can be, I do not wish to let that single issue define my vote for Scott who has impressed me as a good and decent guy.

Of course it is so easy to blindly attack people over the net as you have done to me. You are no credit to the Scott Brown movement as far as I am concerned. I asked for some help and guidance and instead get YOU.
I guess I'll just stay misguided and hope that next Tuesday will matter enough to those who are truly informed and that they will cast their vote for Scott Brown as our next Senator from Massachusetts.

I'm done with you and the Brown Brigade.

Elaine said:

SURE.. stop posting negative things about Scott. You got the answer you wanted, didn't you? I think some will see through your attack posts as I have. If you are such an ARDENT supporter of Scott, why do you need so much help convincing your gay friends? OR ANY of your so called friends, for that matter? Have a great life. I'm done with you.. and I hope everyone else is, too. NO ONE respond to Mark. Thanks. :)


Mark C. Nemeskal said:

Elaine,

I am currently an ardent supporter of Scott Brown and am simply looking for some backup to counter the rhetoric that I am getting from DOZENS of gay friends. I am not talking to myself, but rather, posting some e-mail passages that I received over the last few hours. I am not into politics by nature and so find all of this stuff to be a bit imposing and so I was looking for some help from Brown supporters like you.

Want to take another less insensitive response to my issue here??

Elaine said:

You do, of course, realize that you are TALKING TO YOURSELF? I think you may have found the WRONG forum for your discussion? Try marthacoakleyisasocialist.com? :) Have a great night! :)

[Gerard Hall]

I am a gay man and am experiencing the same problem. I too will vote for Scott Brown either way as I share his views on so many other issues. Right now there are too many more pressing issues than gay rights.

[wilsond]

Sometimes it's not worth harming your freindships by discussing political issues such as this one. My best friends are partners that have married (in Mass.) and we don't talk on this issue. They know my opinion on gay marriage and why I support Repbulican candidates (I say leave it up to the states and the will of the people, but my real opinion is if you want to get married, get married, no one is stopping you. BUT the government shouldn't be in the business of sanctioning ANY marriage - it's between you and your god/religion/belief. Yes, that is a liberatarian view, but it's already hard enough to get a moderate republican or a conservative democrat elected in this state ;)

The more important comment made in Scott's website is that it should be left up to the states and the will of the people to decide what the law should be - and that he would support the will of the people.

His personal belief is that marriage is between a man and women BUT Barack Obama AND John Kerry are both on record as saying they think marriage is between a man and a woman.

Many gay people don't support gay marriage as well. Camille Paglia (who is a lesbian) had a great article on Salon.com's website about why gay marriage is the wrong argument for equal rights for gays . You could go to their archives to search for it.

Here's a post from the Log Cabin Republicans website (Gay and Lesbian republicans) that might help your argument about the democrats and gay marriage and why if Scott supports the state's position that it is good for gay marriage:

Defense of Marriage Act (DoMA)

"The Defense of Marriage Act, enacted in 1996 by President Clinton, states that the federal government defines marriage as only between one man and one woman, and that no state or political subdivision needs to recognize same-sex marriages, even if these marriages are recognized in other states. We oppose this direct challenge to marriage equality, and are fighting to repeal this unfair law, and to hold accountable President Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress for their broken promises to strike the law down."

Good luck:)

[Gerard Hall]

I appreciate your reply. Thank you.

wilsond said:

Sometimes it's not worth harming your freindships by discussing political issues such as this one. My best friends are partners that have married (in Mass.) and we don't talk on this issue. They know my opinion on gay marriage and why I support Repbulican candidates (I say leave it up to the states and the will of the people, but my real opinion is if you want to get married, get married, no one is stopping you. BUT the government shouldn't be in the business of sanctioning ANY marriage - it's between you and your god/religion/belief. Yes, that is a liberatarian view, but it's already hard enough to get a moderate republican or a conservative democrat elected in this state ;)

The more important comment made in Scott's website is that it should be left up to the states and the will of the people to decide what the law should be - and that he would support the will of the people.

His personal belief is that marriage is between a man and women BUT Barack Obama AND John Kerry are both on record as saying they think marriage is between a man and a woman.

Many gay people don't support gay marriage as well. Camille Paglia (who is a lesbian) had a great article on Salon.com's website about why gay marriage is the wrong argument for equal rights for gays . You could go to their archives to search for it.

Here's a post from the Log Cabin Republicans website (Gay and Lesbian republicans) that might help your argument about the democrats and gay marriage and why if Scott supports the state's position that it is good for gay marriage:

Defense of Marriage Act (DoMA)

"The Defense of Marriage Act, enacted in 1996 by President Clinton, states that the federal government defines marriage as only between one man and one woman, and that no state or political subdivision needs to recognize same-sex marriages, even if these marriages are recognized in other states. We oppose this direct challenge to marriage equality, and are fighting to repeal this unfair law, and to hold accountable President Obama and the Democratically-controlled Congress for their broken promises to strike the law down."

Good luck:)

[Gerard Hall]

Excellent point.

[Joan Sullivan]

I would go to his website and look at his positions on different topics. I'm not 100% sure on his positon on gay marriage. Hope you still vote for him. He has a lot to offer us in many areas. MC will only give us more of the same.

[Michael Warren]

Mark C. Nemeskal said:

I've actually met both Scott Brown and Martha Coakley. They're both nice, as you would expect. Brown was indeed very cordial, even knowing that I didn't agree with him on politics.

He may well be personally decent: A JAG, National Guardsman and good father. But his views are neither decent nor prudent. To wit:

a.) He has defended torture, using the Orwellian code words "enhanced interrogation techniques." This is not decent.
b.) He has a tortured explanation for why he would not support covering 30 million new people with health care. I submit that this displays a lack of compassion.
c.) His view on gay marriage is frankly cowardly. That's not decent. Supporting Tom's and others' right to marry is decent.

d.) He denies global warming is real. That is very definitely not prudent.

Down the line, on almost every issue, he's a continuation of the last 8 years of rule under President Bush. I respectfully submit that that is definitely not prudent.

Thanks for reading this far, if you have ...

Well.... anybody care to comment? I am getting hammered by my gay friends.

Never mind.